Saturday, November 14, 2015

Apple iPad Pro 128GB delayed, will ship at end of the month

Apple seems to have a problem this time with the iPad. Regardless of the unprecedented success of Apple products in the past, this time Apple seems to have a problem with the iPad Pro. The iPad Pro 128 GB has had reportedly faced delays in shipping. People who have pre-ordered the iPad Pro 128 Gb will have to wait till the end of the month till they receive the iPad Pro.

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However, the 32 GB version of the iPad Pro will reportedly reach the address of people who have purchased, in about 4-5 days. People who have opted for ordinary shipping will receive the iPad Pro in a weeks time while the ones who have opted have opted for more faster shipping by paying for it, will receive it accordingly.

Users who want to opt for the $949 Wi-Fi-only 128 GB iPad Pro or the $1,079 128 GB 4G model will have to wait till November 30. The devices will reach the doorstep of the users anywhere before December 3rd or after November 30th. Users who pay for faster delivery should expect the devices to reach them between November 25 to November 30. The delay for the iPad Pro 1228 GB is about two to three weeks, which is a long time.

SEE ALSO: Apple iPad Pro to be available from November 11: Rumor Report

The worst part about the iPad Pro is that users will have to wait till they get the Apple Pencil stylus or the Smart Keyboard accessories. While these are listed on the Apple Store website, show as "available to ship" they could take about 4-5 weeks. While the Apple Pencil Stylus and the Keyboard were two highlights of the new Apple iPad Pro, their late shipments and availability leaves quite a question mark.

Stay tuned to GizBot for more updates!

Story first published: Saturday, November 14, 2015, 11:03 [IST]


Source: Apple iPad Pro 128GB delayed, will ship at end of the month

Friday, November 13, 2015

Amazon̢۪s Black Friday Deals Look Insane This Year (AMZN)

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Amazon (AMZN) has a tradition of offering killer Black Friday deals, but for Black Friday 2015 the online retailer is really setting the bar high.

The company just sent out a press release announcing three big markdowns leading up to Black Friday 2015 and even for Amazon deals, these stand out:

  • Starting Nov. 22, the Kindle e-reader will be priced at $49.99, a 40% reduction.
  • Staring Nov. 26 (Thanksgiving Day, with Black Friday 2015 following on the 27th), the Fire TV Stick video streamer gets a cut to just $24.99 (again, nearly 40% off).
  • And the real jaw dropper — also starting Nov. 26 — is a $34.99 Fire tablet.
  • With these Black Friday deals, Amazon has effectively priced some of its best-selling consumer electronics at the level that they could be stocking stuffers.

    Amazon Black Friday deals have a history of aggressive pricing, which have established AMZN as a dominant retailer. This is the time of year when its own devices also tend to see a sales surge, which helps to sell content further down the road.

    In 2014, Amazon hawked a 50-inch LED TV for $199; in 2012, AMZN peddled $4 Blu-ray movies and a cheap Apple (AAPL) MacBook Air; in 2011 Amazon Black Friday deals included a $200 PS3 bundle; and in 2010, a Kindle 2 e-reader was slashed from $189 to $89. Penny smartphones (on two-year contracts) have also figured prominently in previous Amazon Black Friday deals.

    However, that $34.99 Fire tablet really stands out, even given previous sales.

    When Amazon first announced the Fire tablet, it was difficult to imagine the concept of a $50 tablet that was actually usable. There have been cheap tablets before, but most are in the $99 range and most are frustrating enough — crappy screens, abominably slow processors, shoddy construction — that they soon become indefinite tenants of a junk drawer.

    The Amazon Fire, however, is a cheap $50 tablet with a rich build. By further discounting the device to $35 as part of its Black Friday deals, Amazon has priced the Fire tab so low that it firmly wandering around in impulse buy territory.

    Look at it this way, at $35, you could buy seven of these for less than Apple's cheapest, two-year-old iPad Mini 2 and still have enough cash left to order a few of those discounted Blu-Ray movies.

    The new Apple TV and updated Chromecast are getting lots of buzz, but a Fire TV Stick at $24.99? Amazon clearly plans to use its Black Friday 2015 promotion — and its to ban Apple TV and Chromecast from the shelves of Amazon.com — to take some of the shine off the competition and ramp up market share.

    This year, Amazon is offering early Black Friday deals in a move that's stretching the event into the better part of month.

    By announcing the door-crashers early, Amazon is clearly hoping consumers who might have been planning a visit to their local Apple Store or big-box electronics retailer will instead hold off and fire up their smartphone, tablet or PC browser for the big discounts on its online Black Friday deals.

    As of this writing, Brad Moon did not hold a position in any of the aforementioned securities.

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    Source: Amazon's Black Friday Deals Look Insane This Year (AMZN)

    Thursday, November 12, 2015

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    Source: Gear Review | Apple iPad Pro

    Wednesday, November 11, 2015

    Major problem with DK5 on Android tablet

    I have  big problem reading articles on my tablet. (The front page is slow, but readable). Any article with more than about 50 comments will not download I get a message "Chrome has stopped working. Would you like to wait or close"?. Waiting doesn't help. Close, well, closes it and I must restart. But then the same thing happens. Over and over, so reading diaries or even FP articles is impossible.

    I suspect what's happening is that all the imagery (avatars with every single comment) is overloading my system for some reason, I don't know why, I have lots of free memory.

    So for now I'm stuck to my laptop, but I'd really like to use my tablet.

    If I can't, I'll be here a LOT less.

    Any ideas?


    Source: Major problem with DK5 on Android tablet

    Tuesday, November 10, 2015

    Cube i7 Stylus tablet reviewed

    Review: Core M for the masses

    Now that Apple is selling a $99 stylus and a Microsoft Surface clone, we decided to check out whether or not it's possible to get a tablet with proper high-end specs for mid-range money.

     The Cube i7 Stylus aims to be just that – an alternative to pricey Windows tablets (including the Surface series). It's got an impressive spec at an affordable price, and there's even an optional Wacom stylus. So, can a $350 convertible tablet really take on big brand ultraportables and tablets?

    On paper, the Cube looks like an absolute bargain. It's based on the 14nm Core M 5Y10, a Boadwell-based dual-core capable of hitting 2.0GHz on Turbo. The chip is designed with a Turbo range of 800MHz to 2000MHz, and has a TDP of just 4.5W, enabling its use in passively cooled ultraportables and tablets. It features Intel HD Graphics 5300, with 24 execution units (EUs) clocked at 100 to 850MHz. The tablet is equipped with 4GB of RAM (dual channel 2x2GB DDR3L 1600) and a 64GB SSD.

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    This is obviously a far cry from cheap Atom tablets, which tend to feature less RAM and slower eMMC storage, but then again the Cube i7 Stylus costs twice as much as your average whitebox Atom tablet.

    In any case, at just $327 with free shipping, the Cube i7 Stylus is very cheap for a Core M device, so the question is: Where did Cube decide to cut corners and pinch pennies?

    Design and Build Quality

    The Cube i7 Stylus is by no means a small device. It's a 10.6-inch tablet and it's up to 10.5mm thick. It weighs just over 700 grams, so it's about 30% thicker and heavier than the average iPad or Android tablet with a similar size screen.

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    Of course, iPads and ARM-based Android tablets don't have nearly the same amount of processing power squeezed inside them, so it's understandable that the Core M-based Cube is a bit chubbier. Still, it manages to look and feel good. The back is metal, save for the top bit which houses the camera and antennas.

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    Cube opted for a dark blue finish, which looks good. We are a bit concerned that the matte finish and blue paint could be susceptible to scratches, but that's true of every metal device.

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    As you can see, the machining is accurate and the finish looks (and feels) premium.

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    The only problem we had with the finish is that it doesn't handle fingerprints well. Although it's matte, it's rather smooth and gets greased up in a few hours of use.

    The design is conservative, perhaps even too conservative. It basically looks like a 2-3 year old tablet, mainly due to its girth.

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    Another thing you won't see on Android and iOS tablets is the array of ports located on the left side of the Cube i7 Stylus. While it's a tablet, this is still a proper Windows PC, and it has the ports to prove it: Micro HDMI, USB 3.0, microSD card slot, 12V DC in, 3.5mm audio.

    There are no connectors on the right side, just two grilles for the tablet's side-firing stereo speakers.

    right

    Basically, you should have no trouble connecting the Cube i7 Stylus to a monitor, mouse and keyboard, transforming it into an emergency desktop replacement. With a Core M CPU and 4GB of RAM, it certainly has the muscle to power a proper display and handle serious applications.

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    The volume rocker and power button are located on the top.

    bottom

    Since this is a convertible, all you'll find at the bottom is a keybroad pogo pin connector and a couple of dock bays.

    The front of the device is dominated by a 10.6-inch 1080p panel, which isn't laminated. This makes the device a bit thicker and adds reflectivity, but on the other hand, it also means it's possible to swap out the panel or digitizer separately, should you ever need to do so.

    pogo

    The standard Windows capacitive button is at the bottom of the display. Right next to it, on the side, you'll find a 5-pin keyboard dock connector.

    Unfortunately we haven't got the keyboard, but judging by its looks, it features the same blue metal finish and it also houses a slot for the Stylus. Another optional extra is the Wacom compatible stylus itself, which is a tiny, plastic affair. We would have appreciated a softer, more rubbery finish on the stylus.

    Cube i7 Stylus Specs and Performance

    We already pointed out that the Cube i7 Stylus is not your average budget tablet based on Intel silicon. It's a bit bigger, measuring 27.3 x 17.2 x 1.0cm, and it weighs 700g. If you decide to get the keyboard, this will add a few hundred grams on top of that.

    Cube i7 Stylus Specs:

  • SoC: Intel Core M 5Y10, 14nm
  • CPU: Two 64-bit x86 cores (Broadwell) clocked at 800MHz to 2GHz
  • GPU: Intel HD Graphics 5300 (8th generation), 24 EUs, clocked at 100MHz to 850MHz
  • Storage: 64GB internal SSD, micro SD slot for expansion
  • Display: 10.6-inch 1920x1080p IPS panel (Samsung)
  • OS: Windows 10
  • Rear camera: 5-megapixel sensor
  • Front facing camera: 2-megapixel sensor
  • Battery: 9000mAh lithium polymer
  • Dimensions: 273 x 172 x 10.5mm
  • Weight: 700g
  • Connectivity: 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth
  • Sensors: accelerometer
  • So what's missing? Not much. Our biggest gripe is the lack of 802.11ac support and the fact that we have no idea what sort of glass is on the screen. This wouldn't be a big issue if we were dealing with a cheap convertible or hybrid, but on a $350-$400 device with a stylus, it's a concern.

    The main ingredients – the CPU, RAM and storage – are quite good for the money. Let's check out a few benchmarks.

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    The 64GB SATA3 drive delivered some very nice results. After dealing with loads of tablets with eMMC storage, seeing a proper SSD is a breath of fresh air. With sequential read speeds between 350MB/s and 490MB/s, backed by relatively high write speeds, the Cube i7 Stylus feels as responsive as a mid-range notebook. It's a pity that there's no 128GB option because 64GB is somewhat cramped by today's standards. Luckily, you can always fall back on the microSD slot in case you want to have your media collection on the road.

    crystal disk mark

    Squeezing so much performance in a tiny, passively cooled chip is probably got some people concerned about throttling. Yes, like all high-end tablets, the Cube i7 Stylus tends to throttle under load. Luckily, the powerful Core M processor isn't likely to experience a lot of load (or throttling) in typical tablet/ultraportable workloads. It simply doesn't have to run all out in order to deliver good performance.

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    We got 2337 points in PCmark, and as you can see, the chip had no trouble hitting 2GHz even after we ran a few benchmarks on the device.

    Now for Aida CPU Queen and Photoworxx tests:

    aida cpu queen

    It's obvious that Intel's latest Core M silicon delivers excellent performance. Remember, this is a 4.5W chip, yet it manages to keep up with desktop chips from a couple of years ago, with 65W TDPs.

    aida cpu photoworxx

    In Photoworxx, Core M ends upjust 5% slower than AMD's A10-7850K APU, a quad core clocked at 3.7GHz, with a 512-core GPU.

    RAM benchmarks were quite good, although the gap between the Core M and today's desktop platforms tends to be bigger than in CPU tests.

    aida memory read

    The system ended up almost on a par with Intel's Core i7-4770 in memory write tests, which is impressive to say the least.

    aida memory write

    While the chip can deal with some very demanding applications, including 2-3 year old games, sustained performance is always an issue on tablets and passively cooled ultraportables. The CPU can hit about 80 degrees Celsius under heavy load, but throttling is simply not an issue in everyday use.

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    At the same time, the rear side of the tablet can heat up to over 40 degrees near the CPU. Once again, this is not a big deal, unless you plan to run benchmarks all day long, or run very demanding games on this device.

    Overall, this is a very fast Windows tablet that can match and outpace many entry-level and mainstream notebooks in terms of sheer performance.

    Display, Audio and Stylus

    The 1080p display comes from Samsung, and the good news is that it appears to be the exact same panel used in the Microsoft Surface 2. While this obviously isn't the latest panel out there, display quality is quite good, but we would have liked a laminated display, with Gorilla Glass or similar scratch-proof material on the top.

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    Unfortunately, we don't know what sort of glass Cube chose for this device.

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    In any case, display quality should not be an issue, especially not in this price range.

    However, audio quality is an issue. We expected a lot more from a stereo speaker setup on this sort of device. Stereo or not, the sad truth is that many $150 tablets and phones ship with better speakers.

    speaker

    The speakers are just not powerful enough, so it doesn't even make much sense to talk about audio quality, since the device is just too quiet to enjoy video or music. This is perhaps its biggest shortcoming and frankly we are surprised to see it fail on such a trivial feature. There is a small chance that the transition to Windows 10 has something to do with it, because we doubt this is what the engineers had in mind when they designed the i7 Stylus. So, it might be a software issue, but that doesn't change the fact that the tablet is too quiet to enjoy South Park.

    camera

    The tablet is equipped with a 5-megapixel rear camera and a 2-megapixel front facing unit. The rear camera protrudes from the chassis and really messes up an otherwise streamlined device.As for the front camera, it's sufficient for the occasional Skype call, but once again, we've seen better cameras on cheap phones.

    What about the Wacom stylus? Well, it's a very potent tool, although it's not as good as a dedicated stylus.

    paint

    As far as Cube i7's artistic potential goes, Wacom's touch on the entire package has made this tablet quite a contender, even with Wacom's own products. Cube i7 comes with a Wacom packing 1024 pressure levels. As you can see from the picture below, transitions from subtle to hard lines are seamless. Tilt sensitivity is another thing, it's very limited. However, this is still a mainstream product, with stylus support as an afterthought.

    This is a passive stylus, so there's no battery inside. It ships with a few replacement plastic tips, although you probably won't need them since you'll be working on smooth glass rather than a matte Wacom digitizer. The single button on the side of the stylus acts as the right mouse button, and there's an eraser on the other side. When the tablet detects the stylus, it deactivates touch input, so you wouldn't mess everything up with your palm (you can still make a mess of it if you lift up the stylus to see your artwork, but forget to remove your wrist).

    stylus

    While Wacom offers similar products, they are much more expensive and tend to serve a single purpose, whereas this is a good hybrid tablet in its own right. The Cube can be used for anything else when you're not letting that inner Picasso out.

    Additionally, Cube i7 handled water colours admirably, pretty much the same as our desktop rig, and seeing as how they are the most difficult to pull off, we must compliment the snappy Core M processor and recommend it to anyone interested in doing so-called "tradigital" media. We are not sure an Atom would be able to deliver near lag-less performance with water colours and all other media.

    And now, please don't laugh too hard, but here's a sample of what can be done. Remember, we're no artists and this was our first crack at the stylus. The "painting" is inspired by the thumbnail image in Joomla's content upload dialog box, for an added dose of geekyness. We call it Lorem Ipsum at Noon.

    skyone

    Everyday use

    Due to its size and weight, the Cube i7 Stylus does not feel or handle like a typical tablet. It's about 200 grams heavier than most 9.7- or 10-inch tablets, and since it's a 10.6-inch 16:9 device, it is rather wide. Bear in mind that this isn't just a tablet, it's a convertible, and most of these 2-in-1 devices feature a similar layout and form factor. The Cube is just somewhat chubbier thanks to its powerful Core M processor.

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    Unfortunately, we did not get a chance to try it out with the keyboard dock, which features the same metal finish and a multitouch touchpad. The dock is sold separately and it will set you back around $60. The dock also includes a stylus holder, which is nice. Oh, the stylus is also sold separately for about $20.

    ports

    As far as ergonomics go, we had no trouble connecting the Cube i7 Stylus to a wide range of peripherals. Having all connectors located on one side helps reduce clutter, and there is enough room between the ports, so you can use all of them simultaneously.

    The USB 3.0 port comes with an adapter cable. We would have preferred a standard USB port, but the designers obviously though it was more important to keep the thickness down to a minimum and have curved edges on all sides.

    We already pointed out that our biggest issue in everyday use is more or less trivial – the speakers are puny. On the upside, the rest of the package is noticeably better.

    Since it's a Core M tablet with a big battery, it relies on a proprietary charger rather than a standard micro USB. The charger helps deliver more juice and charges the battery in about four hours. It uses a 3.5mm plug, which can also be inserted in the 3.5mm audio port (yep, we did it, accidentally).

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    However, if you are used to Atom or iPad battery life, you may be in for an unpleasant surprise. Core M tablets simply can't keep up with mainstream tablets. After all, the CPU has more than 1.3 billion transistors and a much more powerful GPU than anything used on Atom chips (6x more EUs than Bay Trail, 2-3x more EUs than Cherry Trail). We managed to get almost about six hours of browsing and video, which is a bit less than you'd get on mainstream 10-inch tablets based on Intel Atom or ARM chips. However, when you compare this to Surface Pro tablets and other hybrids like the Lenovo Yoga series, it's just slightly below average.

    Conclusion

    The Cube i7 Stylus is a strange beast. It's a small brand device and few users outside of Asia will ever get a chance to try it out. While Cube has been around for years, the company does not appear to be focusing on the international market. Considering the price/performance ratio of this particular device, perhaps it's time to give western markets a go.

    The Cube i7 Stylus costs as much as a mid-range tablet with a big brand sticker on the back, yet it is based on a processor that would not feel out of place in a device twice its price. Storage and RAM are fast as well, and overall performance is excellent for a tablet (not just a cheap tablet, but any tablet). If you choose to get the keyboard dock, you'll end up with a quite powerful 2-in-1 with stylus support on top. It's a pity there's no 11.6-inch version, or 128GB model, but who knows, perhaps we will see them in the future.

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    There are a few shortcomings. The blue metal chassis is sensitive to fingerprints and grease. The speakers are woefully inadequate and they are our biggest disappointment. Sure, you have to save money somewhere, but Cube would have been better off with a couple of speakers used in $100 phones. As a result, content consumption suffers, but this tablet is no toy anyway. It's supposed to augment or replace ultraportable notebooks, and it should excel in that use case.

    It's a pity we did not get a chance to try out the keyboard, which is sold separately for $58. The stylus is also an option, but it's relatively cheap at $35. The kicker is the price of the tablet itself – it's just $327 via GearBest, who kindly supplied this review sample.

    Bottom line; the Cube i7 Stylus is a very powerful piece of kit with a surprisingly low price tag. In case you want a serious tablet or convertible, with a Wacom stylus as icing on the cake, it's a good value alternative to similar big brand devices.

    Cube i7 Stylus Pros and Cons

    Pros:

  • Excellent performance
  • Good display
  • Stylus support
  • Value for money
  • Cons:

  • Woefully inadequate speakers
  • Fingerprint prone metal finish
  • No full-size USB slot
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    Source: Cube i7 Stylus tablet reviewed

    Monday, November 9, 2015

    More protection on the way for student tablets

    A case has been made for protecting Manteca's 23,500 Panasonic 3E tablets that cost $499 a pop.

    The tough rubberized case will be shown to the Manteca Unified board when they meet Tuesday at 7 p.m. at the district office, 2271 W. Louise Ave,

    District Superintendent Jason Messer has been working with a vendor to design the case. It's design — a heavy, corrugated rubber — absorbs almost all of the pressure from books and other heavy objects that may press against the screen.

    The leading cause of breakage has been when the device is placed in backpacks with books.

    The cover also reduces damage when the device is inadvertently stepped on. It also significantly improves protection when the device is accidently knocked from a desk top to the floor.

    Messer said the covers will initially be distributed to the seventh and eighth graders where breakage has been the highest.

    The cover is designed so the tablet can be used with the cover in place.

    Screen breakage is the biggest problem with the devices.

    There were 470 devices out of 23,500 reported to have damage due to a cracked screen during the first three months of use. The breakage rate of 2 percent is less than what was anticipated.

    By contrast several California districts using Chromebooks report breakage as high as 20 percent.

    Of the 470 cracked screens, 75 percent were processed by the manufacturer as a warranty claim. A number of those broke when dropped a distance of 70 centimeters or less. That distance is significant as it is the distance between desk tops and the floor. Panasonic said the design was made to withstand such a drop.

    Messer said he is working with other districts — internationally and in the United States — to impress upon Panasonic if they want to continue to retain the education tablet market that they need to made subsequent generations of the 3E compatible with the cases that represents a significant investment although it is roughly an eighth of the cost of the actual device.

    Messer said while software updates are expected that could make existing models obsolete to a degree what isn't acceptable is changing the hardware and shape that would render the covers unusable.

    Since the 3E was designed specifically for schools, a supplier has not marketed a cover. At the same time, most manufactures do not make covers tough enough for most tablets to meet a school's requirements.

    The cover Messer is showing to the board Tuesday is to tablet protection what the Otter Box is to smartphone protection.


    Source: More protection on the way for student tablets

    Sunday, November 8, 2015

    Why some LAUSD teachers are balking at a new approach to discipline problems

    In a South Los Angeles classroom, a boy hassles a girl. The teacher moves him to the back of the room, where he scowls, makes a paper airplane and repeatedly throws it against the wall. Two other boys wander around the class and then nearly come to blows.

    "Don't you talk about my sister," one says to the other. The teacher steps between them.

    When she tries to regain order, another boy tells her: "Screw you."

    It's another day of disruption on this campus in the Los Angeles Unified School District, which has been nationally hailed by the White House and others for its leadership in promoting more progressive school-discipline policies. The nation's second-largest school system was the first in California to ban suspensions for defiance and announced plans to roll out an alternative known as restorative justice, which seeks to resolve conflicts through talking circles and other methods to build trust.

    The shift has brought dramatic changes: Suspensions districtwide plummeted to 0.55% last school year compared with 8% in 2007-08, and days lost to suspension also plunged, to 5,024 from 75,000 during that same period, according to the most recent data.

    The district moved to ban suspensions amid national concern that they imperil academic achievement and disproportionately affect minorities, particularly African Americans.

    But many teachers say their classrooms are reeling from unruly students who are escaping consequences for their actions.

    The Times' new education initiative to inform parents, educators and students across California >> 

    They blame the district for failing to provide the staff and training needed to effectively shift to the new approach — and their complaints are backed up by L.A. schools Supt. Ramon Cortines. He said the new discipline policies, which were pushed through by the Board of Education and former Supt. John Deasy and which he supports, were poorly executed. He compared the implementation to the flawed effort to equip students and teachers with Apple tablets.

    "I will compare it to the iPad," Cortines said. "You cannot piecemeal this kind of thing and think it is going to have the impact that it should have. Don't make a political statement and then don't have the wherewithal to back it up."

    Alex Caputo-Pearl, president of United Teachers Los Angeles, said the union backs the new approach and that teachers with sufficient support have used it effectively at such high schools as Augustus Hawkins in South L.A. and Roosevelt in Boyle Heights. But widespread complaints from teachers without such support have prompted union plans to start its own training.

    "We're now carrying the consequences of ... not enough staffing to make it work and a lot of frustration," Caputo-Pearl said.

    The most assertive supporters of restorative justice on the school board are Steve Zimmer and Monic a Garcia. Both said the effort is essential to improving academic achievement, as important as instructional practices and financial management.

    "This literally changes kids' lives and their experience in school," said Zimmer, the board president. "We have to get this right."

    Zimmer questioned reports of deteriorating discipline, saying such problems existed before the policy was enacted two years ago and resulted from numerous factors at a school.

    But board member Richard Vladovic said a hasty rollout had the potential to make things worse.

    "We have not provided all the training we should, but that's been historic in education," he said. "It's called the devil in the details. Sometimes it means stopping what you're doing and then do it right in a few places, and then do it right everywhere."

    Only 307 of the district's 900 campuses have so far received training under the district's five-year restorative justice plan, according to Earl Perkins, assistant superintendent of school operations. Last year, the district only budgeted funds for five restorative justice counselors until community pressure pushed officials to increase that to 25. This year, 20 more counselors were added for a total $7.2 million in spending.

    But that covers less than a third of the district's 181 secondary schools, where discipline problems are the most acute.

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    Community groups that monitor the issue say it is unclear how schools are coping with unruly students under the suspension restrictions — in part because the district has not released data on how many, for instance, are referred to the administrative office and what happens to them afterward. At Manchester Elementary and Markham Middle School in South L.A., principals reportedly sent disruptive students home without recording them as suspensions, but Perkins said no such reports have surfaced this year .

    Sylvester Wiley, an L.A. Unified police officer for 32 years, said schools are increasingly calling police to handle disruptive students. "Now that they can't suspend, schools want to have officers handle things, but we constantly tell them we can't do this," he said. "Willful defiance is not a crime."

    At Los Angeles Academy Middle School in South L.A., teachers have asked for an after-school detention program, but one has not yet been established. They say they are overwhelmed by what they consider ineffective responses to students who push, threaten and curse them. The stress over discipline prompted two teachers to take leaves of absence in the last two months.

    "My teachers are at their breaking point," Art Lopez, the school's union representative, wrote to union official Colleen Schwab in a letter obtained by The Times. "Everyone working here is highly aware of how the lack of consequences has affected the site. Teachers with a high number of students with di scipline issues are walking a fine line between extreme stress and a emotional meltdown."

    Lopez wrote that many teachers felt that administrators were pushing the burden of discipline onto instructors because they can no longer suspend unruly students and lack the staff to handle them outside the classroom. Associated Administrators of Los Angeles, which represents principals and others, declined to comment.

    Michael Lam, an eighth-grade math teacher, said he has seen an increase in student belligerence under new discipline policies.

    "Where is the justice for the students who want to learn?" he said, speaking at a recent forum held as part of the process to select the next superintendent of schools. "I'm afraid our standards are getting lower and lower."

    Cortines, 83, said he broke up a fight between students last year at Markham Middle School, which he said was "out of control" toward the end of the school year.

    "There were just a lot of problems" and not only with restorative justice, he said. "I don't think we provided the proper support for the administration. I don't think we did proper monitoring."

    Cortines said the situation has improved at Markham. Principal Luis Montoya said change would take time, but that progress should pick up this year because the district has provided a full-time staff member for the restorative justice program and a teacher has been named to help lead the efforts.

    But some teachers are dubious, in part because high staff turnover has stymied efforts. A highly regarded restorative justice counselor was let go in January because foundation funding ran out, and 10 of the 11 teachers on the school's restorative justice task force last year have left the campus.

    Schools with en ough staff and training, however, report success. At Jordan High School in Watts, for instance, suspensions have dropped to just one as of October compared with 22 during the same period last year. The school has launched a well-staffed program led by a dean and two counselors, who meet with troubled students in a designated room featuring posters offering pointers about the practice, such as speaking and listening with respect.

    At Gardena High School, Principal Rosie Martinez said the school began using restorative justice last year, with all teachers asked to hold discussion circles to build a sense of community and trust. When students misbehave, they are sent to resolve their conflicts with coordinator Deborah Moore.

    "It's a slow process getting everyone on board," said Daron Andrade, dean of students. But she added that the new approach seems to have reduced arguments and fights.

    Students who have experienced the restorative practices say they have helped.

    Nataya Ross, 17, and Maya Smith, 16, were both referred to restorative justice circles after getting into campus fights. The students took turns sharing their feelings about the conflict and how to make things right.

    "When I first heard of the circle, I thought it was useless," Nataya said. "Now I think it is good. Me and my best friend were in the circle, and we got good in two minutes. We just had to get a lot of stuff off our chest."

    Maya also thought the circle was "dumb" at first. "But it actually helped," she said. "It made me mature just a little. I think I'm way better than how I was last year."

    The students said some teachers believe the new approach has exacerbated discipline problems. But they also said restorative justice has the potential to help all students, if they are exposed to it.

    Full funding to spread the practice to every campus is the district's ultimate goal, Perkins said.

    "We have to teach our students how to be good citizens ... they don't need to miss instructional time to make this happen," he said.

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